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Socialism, does it work?

This is an article I saw by a wiz named Ed Will. It’s good. It makes a really good point, so I thought I’d post it.

–An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that [socialism] worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class… …All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. It could not be any simpler than that. Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

by: Ed Will

25 thoughts on “Socialism, does it work?

      • This is a story that has been going around for a long time. I heard it even before Obama was a household name. The only difference is that this version inserts Obama into it, a natural result of current events.

        Also, Obama is not a socialist. He would not be in favor of the kind of redistribution methods used by the professor. He is a social capitalist.

  1. Great post Ellie… I would definitely say “President Obama is a socialist.” Because look at Obama care….seriously, Obama care has put like 3 of our health care providers out of business, it’s taken away jobs, it’s NOT fair…I mean you are taking from people who work and giving to those who don’t deserve it biblically….”For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10….By the same token, Health care…if you don’t work for it…why should someone else have to for you???

    • You need to look at his overall worldview, not a single aspect of a single piece of legislation that he supports. I am not pro-Obama, but please, let’s get our facts straight.

      • Ok, explain to me what you think his “overall worldview” is, and I will see where you stand..,?
        Haha, where do you get your facts from anywho???

        • You are making an ad hominem attack on me, asking where I get my facts from? You are the one saying “Great post, Ellie” on an urban legend she reposted. Why aren’t you challenging her, asking her where she is getting HER facts from? Because you like this post. It agrees with your political agenda and you want to believe it, whether or not there is proof of it.

          I have already said that his overall worldview is that of a social capitalist.

          • Whether or not this post has actual facts, Jordan, I think that it describes socialism well. I don’t know all the facts about what Obama believes, but can we safely say that we don’t trust socialism or communism and we don’t agree with it? Leah has not lightly made her decision and neither have I against Obama. Please do not berate my friend; she was not attacking you.

            • It describes pure, unadulterated, utopian socialism well, yes. But it does not describe Obama. You are basically lying about the man. Yes, we can say that we don’t like socialism or communism. We can even say that we dislike God’s chosen leader of our country. But let’s not spread false rumors about him. That is disrespectful no matter whom it is done to.

              If you are “against” Obama, fine. I am too. But let’s be “against” him for real reasons and make a decision that we will not slander him.

                • I never said that I felt like I was being attacked, did I? And what exactly gave you the idea that I was “berating” your friend? I was not being derogatory at all.

                  Which information is that?

                • Haha! That made me laugh. “You are making an ad hominem attack on me, asking where I get my facts from?” Well, we just want to know what makes you think that Obama is not socialist.

            • I think you hold the government much higher than I do. I know you do. I do respect the government still, I just don’t think of it like you do. It is here to serve the people. Have you read or watched Les Misrebles? Xavier holds the government like a parents of sorts and eventually commits suicide. Jordan, I think with the state of the government where it is, we must disobey sometimes. Revolting? I suppose that depends on the kind of revolting and the conditions. Go ahead and keep writing your book, I would still like to read it, but I don’t promise to agree. Perhaps you should wait a bit longer, until you’re like thirty, before you try to argue and act like you know every fact of the government. Sure, I don’t, Leah doesn’t either, but neither do you, please don’t feel that we attack you when we question your information.

          • LOL…That is absurd. How could I make an “ad hominem” attack on you…? I don’t even know you…so how could I in turn point out your personal flaws in attempt to belittle your argument. My motive for asking where you got your facts, from was not to be like “oh, you are so wrong” indeed. I’m open for reproof where I’m wrong on a subject. But I’d never just keep trusting in something that had no ground to stand on…So please don’t take offense…For I honestly didn’t mean it that way. Over the enternet it can be difficult to protrude ones meaning. 😉

            If you have any sugestions on articles I could read to better improve my outlook on Obama, I’d be more than happy to investigate them and conclude my opinion from them. Thus another reason why I asked where you get your facts…(I hope not from social media)

            Anywho…no hard feelings…!

  2. Umm, what? I just said that I don’t feel like you were attacking me. You are projecting emotions onto my totally neutral words.

    And now I am not old enough to have my own opinion? I should wait until I am “like thirty”? I was not acting like a know-it-all. I was presenting the facts that I do know. There is nothing wrong with that. That is how rational discussion works.

    And yes, I have read Les Miserables. It is one of my favorite books.

    • Haha, go back and read your comment, Jordan. Go back and read hers.
      She said “Haha, where do you get your facts, anywho??”

      and you replied, “You are making an ad hominem attack on me, asking where I get my facts from? You are the one saying “Great post, Ellie” on an urban legend she reposted. Why aren’t you challenging her, asking her where she is getting HER facts from? Because you like this post. It agrees with your political agenda and you want to believe it, whether or not there is proof of it.”

  3. Well, that was weird. In reply to the comment you made which no longer has a reply button, lol, her attitude was just a tad, “And what do YOU know.” That is all.

    Socialism, n: “social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources” (Britannica.) Basically, “the government owns everything.”

    That’s not what Obama wants. Broadly, Obama-administration policies that are called “socialist” fall into two categories:

    1. Government regulation to remove perceived flaws and externalities in the market. This is not socialism; private ownership still drives the economy.
    2. Social programs that indirectly redistribute wealth to reduce economic inequalities. This appears more socialist, but it is not actually socialism; it’s just an extension of the basic idea that the government can provide public services (like water treatment, etc.) Private ownership still drives the economy.

    Obama doesn’t want to abolish the free market, he just wants to control it. Ergo, Obama is not a socialist. He’s a liberal/social capitalist, but he’s still a capitalist.

    • Ha, that’s way arguments shouldn’t be on line but in person. I know Leah well, you obvious don’t. And she doesn’t know you either! Now, I do happen to know you, but arguments still shouldn’t be fought via email….or via comment.

      • No, that is not the answer it all. The key is to never take anything personally, that is all.

        But moving on, do you understand what I am saying now?

        • Yeah, kind of. But if possible, arguments shouldn’t be online. At least until you know the person well.
          I still don’t agree with Obama, but yes I respect him. And yes, I understand his views, at least to some extent.

        • BTW…I didn’t take it personal…I could say you did…(but I won’t) because you said you did, because you said I was making an “ad hominem” attack on you…therefore pointing out that “I” was personally attacking you…thus you took it “personally”

          Do you get my drift? That’s how my brain works…whereas if I was to describe my opinion of how yours worked, I’m positive I’d not be able to, because you *cannot* read anyones mind…You can deduct, from what they say and do, and base your opinions off of that, but you cannot *read* their inner self. No matter how smart you are. ONLY God knows your heart…You don’t even know your heart….

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